I'd like to interview my readers briefly. If you take the time to answer these, I'd be most grateful.
- Do you own a Nokia 770 or Nokia N800?
- If not, what keeps you from buying one today?
- If so: What do you use it for most?
- What applications do you desire most?
- What accessories do you desire most?
- If you could change the design, how would you do it?
To be fair, I will answer these myself:
- I have both.
- N/A
- My N800 is with me everywhere. I use it for music while at my day job. I have it on my coffee table or nightstand at home for web browsing/Email reading. I find it quite handy to read product reviews and competitive pricing while I am out shopping. I am researching home control/automation for the 770 so I can leave it mounted to the wall in my apartment.
- Navicore and Skype. These were announced in January for a Spring release, so it's just a waiting game. Also, A2DP bluetooth headset support would improve Google Talk, Gizmo Project, and Canola.
- Other than a Bluetooth headset and GPS, I'd very much like a screen protecting wallet case and a snap-on hard clamshell case with a keyboard.
- I would add two soft-keys on the right side of the display bezel. They could function as scroll buttons in the browser and other applications, then can be reprogrammed for game use.
Those are my thoughts. What are yours?
53 comments:
Model owned: Nokia N800
Used for: Websurfing, looking up information/directions.
Desired apps: A much better email client. The current email client can not cope with my IMAP account with 3k+ messages in the INBOX. Tighter integration with webmail, like being able to use the native email client with Google Mail. Being able to video chat with a wider range of apps (Yahoo, MSN, etc).
Improvements: I find all of the buttons slightly difficult to press. There's not enough width between the buttons on the top of the device (-, +, full screen). The 4-way button goes unused, I would prefer a joystick similar to the IBM Thinkpad button or the Sony PSP. The joystick could toggle between panning around the current app (scrolling the web browser, for example) and moving a cursor. I think the Sony PSP does this very well. The back/home/menu buttons on the front-left of the device aren't very deep, and I feel like it's difficult to press them. I'd add some sort of non-slip material to the button of the stand, so that the device doesn't slide away if you're trying to use it with the stylus on a table-top. I use it in this mode while listening to music.
1. Both (well, the gf has adopted the 770 now)
2. N/A
3. web is by far the killer here (I was going to mention shopping, but you did it already). Maemomapper doesn't get used very often, but is very useful when it does. The (relatively) wide range of software is also important -- I do like having an almost-general-purpose computer in a pocket.
4. Usable email would be nice. A PIM solution with syncing with linux desktop would be really nice.
5. keyboard, gps
6. Revert the decision to make the buttons on top small and cramped together. Add some kind of scroll wheel. Make the buttons a little more usable for gaming -- having a usable eight-way rocker would be great.
1. Both.
2. N/A.
3. 770 is a bedside ebook reader and does light Interwebs duty. N800 is always with me, mostly doing stuff on the interwebs.
4. PhatWare's PenOffice (fullscreen HWR and gesture macro interface).
5. N800 USB host mode and a N800-taylored hub from Nokia.
6. Less buttons, better user interface (see Sean Luke's article). The Newton MessagePad only has one (as in: 1!) button and is easier to operate than the N800.dlobv
1. Do you own a Nokia 770 or Nokia N800?
770
2. What do you use it for most?
fbreader, opera, maemomapper
3. What applications do you desire most?
A native AIM compatible IM client (with the same integration the jabber client has). While Google Talk is nice, most of my associates use AIM. Skype would be nice for the same reasons.
4. What accessories do you desire most?
An adaptor that lets me charge from the USB port on a laptop.
5. If you could change the design, how would you do it?
USB host/card reader would be nice, I'd rather download a decent picture from a real camera to blog or post to flickr than a crappy phone cam picture.
Owned: Had a 770, sold it and bought an N800.
Uses: I use it primarily as a communication device, so have Claws-mail, gaim 2.0, and XChat up a lot of the time, communicating over bluetooth.
Desired Applications: I am definitely looking forward to Skype, but would also like to see a better video player and a usable perl API. I have a feeling I'm doing the latter myself. :)
Desired Accessories: Number one thing would be some type of slide in or otherwise integrated keyboard. I'm sure someone could use the design of the old hardcase to create a pullout keyboard, that goes in via USB or bluetooth.
Design Improvements: The N800 desperately needs a better stylus. The tablet team should look at an old Newton and figure out what they did right. For integration with other uses, some buttons on the right would be great for small-time Linux gaming with the tablet. Even putting the jump buttons that are currently below the directional pad on the right hand side would be good. I know they're going for the one handed use thing, but I'm sure something could be figured out.
Model owned: Nokia 770. I would enjoy more memory and speed but I really want to keep the hard cover since the 770 has hard times with me.
Used for: mainly to read ebooks with FBReader, to surf web when I don't want to power on my computer or when I'm in the bathroom ;-)
Also, another very useful use I have is to keep a given webpage with me. Usually a map from google map before a drive. Or it could be an hardware compatibility list that I download before going to the shop. Also, I play scummvm when I'm travelling or in my bed.
Last but not least : calendar with Dates
Desired apps : a real mail client. ATM, I'm only using webmail. Also, I would really enjoy to have a sync software between my 770 calendar and my Evolution laptop one.
5. I own a BT keyboard and I like it but the locale for my keymap is still not available (and I don't understand how to contribute one). A GPS would be nice but I would not pay for one...
6. Keep my 770 just like it is now with the memory and the processor of the 800. I don't need stereo. Also, for software, make the "quick upper case mode" (draging a letter of the keyboard upside) more sensible. It was really good in 2005OS but it's really harder in 2006OS.
1. Both
3. Book reading (FBReader), mail (claws), web browsing (minimo).
4. I wish minimo supported portrait mode.
5. A good case for the N800.
6. Put the N800 inside 770 body, and sprinkle more buttons all around (right side of display, all sides of body, maybe even a few on the back.
Model owned: None
Why not: Because I'm not quite convinced that it's £250 of useful
Desired apps: I hear a lot about the email client not being up to scratch. I need something that can do IMAP/S (talking to Dovecot) with large folders very easily, with GPG signing and encryption all handled nicely. Multiprotocol IM would also be nice, but I can live with Jabber transports. SSH is also a necessity but I believe it already has that.
Improvements: The N800 is kind of ugly, and why does it have stereo speakers? There's no way speakers that small could sound good enough to justify their presence. One speaker is enough for simple beeps and boops. The rest I can do with a headphone socket, and one would hope without the speakers that the N800 could be just a bit smaller.
Also I'm not hugely impressed with what I've heard of the battery life, and the default theme is pretty ugly, but fortunately that's fixable.
I have a N800, had a 770. What I wish from it is behaving a tiny workstation! In this way the nokia communicators, symbian-based, do better.
Apps badly needed: a good word-processor. A vector graphics app. Maybe some kind of office suite. But the winner is... a fully ajax-capable browser to use the web 2.0 widgets and suites.
Don't believe everything can be crammed into 128Megs ram? Try puppy linux... that would be great oon the n800.
Oh, and a normal UI, no hildon please.
1. Both, used the 770 for over a year and the speed improvements alone convinced me on the 800 a few months ago.
3. 770 stays at home, mostly for playing music - the low-level ogg support addin "mogg" means I can play all my music collection, via UPNP. The 800 is used for ebooks and web/webmail during my commute (hour each way on the train), using Cingular EDGE. At home, spur-of-the-moment queries while sitting on the couch - it's amazing how often a historical or informational question will come up in conversation and having immediate hand-sized internet access has changed my life in this respect most obviously. I also use it for pulling up public transportation schedules and maps - really, it's just whatever I use the internet for, everywhere and in a way that doesn't care whether there's something on my lap or whether I'm standing.
4. Ogg support for the 800. I spend the vast majority of my day at a full computer, I'd love to see applications that integrated with my desktop such that it made sense for the 800 to sit underneath my main monitors - video chat could make sense, dedicated display for chat presence or news feeds or music all make sense but would need to be controllable from my primary keyboard/mouse/desktop. This doesn't have to mean USB or extended-desktop or specific-app integration - if apps on the 800 presented a web frontend I could pull up on my desktop that would work for music or chat/email or drilling into a newsfeed item that I have reason to respond to. (The push could go the other way too.) This is probably more about having web applications that present multiple computers with related/continuous views of the same underlying data than n800-specific though.
5. USB charger would be fantastic, as would BT headset - the one area that the 800 ought to further change my lifestyle is communication, but I know no-one else with one for video calls and not having a keyboard or BT headset means IM/voice chat is not usable in enough situations. A splash-skin for waiting for the train in the rain. :) A hardshell case w/keyboard is a brilliant idea, my main reluctance in getting a kb has been the thought of carrying around yet another gadget in it's own little baggie.
6. The inability to select text in the browser kills me - I should be able to toggle stylus-drag scroll/select. Hardware-wise I'm really completely happy - I'm sure soft buttons under the right thumb would find good use by some app developer.
Model: N800
Used for: Around the house. Browsing on the couch. Internet radio when I'm moving from room to room. Have used it on travel once, and helped fixed a Wifi issue at a customers restaurant.
Desired apps: All-in-one IM client (such as Gaim) would be nice. Nobody I know uses Gtalk or Jabber (but that may change soon).
Desired accessories: INEXPENSIVE GPS attachment. I figure I MIGHT use GPS once or twice a year (generally I know where I am). Would love to play with one, but it's not worth hundreds of dollars to me.
Design changes: I don't like having the screen unprotected. The fabric cover that comes with the 800 is worse than nothing as the device so easily slides out and onto the floor if not held properly (like a glass of water). I think a flat back would have been easier to design 3rd party cases for, I don't really see the advantage of the curved back. Shape of stylus doesn't really make much sense either. Buttons are too close together and (I think this is a software issue) there doesn't seem to be any standard definition for what they do (if anything) from one app to another.
1. Do you own a Nokia 770 or Nokia N800? Not yet
2. If not, what keeps you from buying one today? My unclear financial situation
3. If so: What do you use it for most? I’d use for email, browsing and as an eBook Reader (PDFs, lecture books from university) and of course MobLogging. I do have my MP3-Player for MP3s and my 6288 or my Olympus Z350 for taking photos
4. What applications do you desire most? Skype and a software, which searches for open WLANs stations and directly logs in, so that you can surf without hesitating whos hotspot you are using.
5. What accessories do you desire most? A Digicam with built in GPS and Bluetooth
6. If you could change the design, how would you do it? I didn’t have had the chance to lay my hands on one of the tablets, so no ideas from my side.
I did post this also at my blog at:
http://www.marnem.de/blog/2007/04/05/stoeckchen-you-and-your-tablet/
1. Do you own a Nokia 770 or Nokia N800?
Only a Nokia 770
2. If not, what keeps you from buying one today?
Not enough incentive for me to upgrade to N800. Maybe when my 770 dies.
3. If so: What do you use it for most?
I use my 770 for mobile Internet surfing around the house and on the go, using it as a sketch pad quite often these days.
4. What applications do you desire most?
Better web browser.
5. What accessories do you desire most?
Longer lasting battery.
6. If you could change the design, how would you do it?
770 - Fill more of the device with a larger screen. Cut a space in the case where it interferes with the d-pad.
N800 - Give it a cover. Larger screen or make the device itself fit better to the current one.
1. Nokia 770
2. N/A (actually, I have experienced problems with obtaining of the N800 - but the Nokia 770 is OK for me)
3. Reading (e-books, PDF), PIM, Web surfing, e-mail, IM, computing (structural mechanics - I have wrote a small program for this).
4. A better PIM with a synchronisation and alarms ; a viewer (or even editor) for OpenOffice/MS Office files, a native OGG support. And a better e-mail client (with possibility of several mailboxes).
5. An additional (external?) battery. A headphones with remote control for the Audio player. Also, something for presentations would be VERY useful for me (something like this: http://www.impatica.com/showmate/). And, of course, some kind of hardcase with integrated (clamshell?) keyboard.
6. A different "power" button (the current one can by easily pressed by mistake when machine is off).
1. Do you own a Nokia 770 or Nokia N800?
N800
3. If so: What do you use it for most?
Reading either ebooks or saved web pages while commuting.
4. What applications do you desire most?
A decent Address Book that synchronizes with Evolution on my Linux desktop.
Second would be a calendar, that synchs the same way.
5. What accessories do you desire most?
A GPS, I wish it had an integrated one (just like the Neo1973).
6. If you could change the design, how would you do it?
Add some sort of hardware keyboard. Most phones have one these days.
1: I own both 770 and 800
2: I will not buy another Nokia product now that it is clear they designed Maemo as a tool for prematurely obsoleteing good hardware in a misguided attempt to sell more units of the next model
3: http and ssh, mostly. Some days I actually use an IT more than a PC! The 770 still goes everywhere in my pocket, 800 stays at home mostly.
4: I long for easily usable non-Nokia Linux images for both devices. Maemo is dead/dying...
5,6: Hard cover for the 800! WTF??
Model owned: Nokia N800
Used for: It's my alarm clock that wakes me with my chosen mp3, I check the weather on it, listen to music, read gmail, rss, chat on gtalk, gaim, make international gizmo calls, receiving gizmo calls via grandcentral, play the occasional game, browse the web. I now only turn on my (noisy) main computer when I want to do some serious gaming or use firefox and quicken.
Desired apps: Pocket Quicken (with ability to sync to main computer) -- I want to be able to use my Palm applications (an emulator is being worked on-yay). What I seriously don't get is why didn't they build in the ability to run S60 applications? Seriously! A better office suite--abiword currently crashes and couldn't open my office 2003 word document. The spreadsheet (gnumeric) application is cumbersome to use. I'd like to be able to sync my work exchange calendar and subscribe to my google calendar with two-way sync. I'd also like to do lamp development--and I wish the windows were transparent the way they can be in gnome/kde so you can view the background image in the window. Basic web graphics program. A killer app for me would be something like One Note with handwriting recognition as good as the Newton or better.
Improvements: I loved the Tapwave Zodiac 2 buttons. They were perfect for gaming. But since I don't really want to have to buy another device, I'd like the ability to use an external wimax sd card or usb dongle or whatever is created when wimax is rolled out.
1. Nokia 770
2. -
3. Browsing the internet, listening to music.
4. Good actiongames that are easy to play.
5. A cheap keyboard would be _great_
6. Better directional button, maybe add a hardware keyboard (or improve handwriting recognition).
1. I have both (the 770 is lent to my sister).
2. Nokia tried hard to keep me from buying one by limiting the sales to several countries. I had to get friends and acquaintances traveling aboard to buy the tablets for me.
3. Usage: e-books, mostly. Media player for walking/driving around. Web and ssh next.
4. Applications? I'd like a full set of open source applications to replace the closed ones (browser, media player, etc.). Some sort of PIM software would be nice (calendar, todo list, contacts, memos).
5. Accessories? USB charger.
6. Design: smaller, thinner form factor. Buttons that are easier to press. A more sensitive touchscreen. An extra directional keypad on the right side. A third position for the built-in stand (45, 90 and 135 degrees).
1. 770
2. I now have a Samsung Q1 UMPC, I love that thing
3. Don't use it anymore, I should sell it
4. ereader type program so I can read star trek sce. Heck even the Pepperpad has a commercial ebook reader.
5. Leather case
6. More software, ebook reader, evdo, phone.
1. Both
2. N/A
3. Web Browsing
4. Bluetooth PAN profile so I can connect to the net via a Windows Mobile 5 phone's UMTS connection. A few really strong games. Lumines, maybe?
5. GPS + Turn by turn suitable for in-car navigation.
6. Built in keyboard that slides out from under the unit.
1. N800 (Using it right now!)
3. Web surfing on the couch, playing music streamed from my NAS, webmail, chat, and taking it with me for quick net access.
4. The N800 really needs a top notch email program with solid IMAP support. For now I use a web client. I'd also like better remote admin functions, and a full suite of the usual Internet tools.
5. Bluetooth keyboard and MOUSE. Stereo BT headphones.
6.Dedicated page up and down buttons. Mute button. Bigger battery option. Charging cradle which also chargees a second battery.
1.) n800.
2.) N/A
3.) The most fun that I've had so far was in the waiting room of a doctor's office with complimentary free wifi. I visited my old friend Cyborg X-Fish.
4.) The ability to take photos--out of the box. A simple app that just works.
5.) GPS as a factory option accessory.
6.) The ability to plug the n800 into a powered USB hub and use a USB keyboard.
1) Yes, a 770. Bought it the minute they were available at CompUSA
2) n/a
# If so: What do you use it for most?
3) I used to use it when I was traveling and did not have a computer. Or at home for geeking out
But then I bought a macbook and since then the 770 has been collecting dust. I kind of regret buying it now. It never really worked well, always crashes after a bit of browsing.. and it's too slow. still a cool toy though.
4) Navigation. But I never ended up investing in it.
5) a) BT Keyboard. Bought one, never use it b) GPS. See 4 : )
6) I cut a piece out of the cover to be able to reach the stylus at all times. Nokia should have thought of that.
I own the N800.
I use it for offline ebook/news reading, portable Internet via bluetooth (when shopping, for instance), read recent emails, play miniature games. I haven't gotten around to use it to sketch and take notes as I expected to.
I'd like it to be better at being the ultimate connectivity device I can carry anywhere: for emails, newsfeeds, VNC, remote desktop, universal remote control, information lookups, etc. but it's not there yet. I wish for more mature applications that integrate well and synchronize easily with other services, while offering a decent offline support.
More concretely: GUI Samba browser; decent email reader; reliable newsreader that truly understands the meaning of offline mode; universal chat, VOIP and contact list from a single application or service; ability to retrieve portable databases to easily allow searches when in offline mode.
Something like XULRunner could be promising... Any kind of open, lightweight RAD engine would open up many opportunities.
Accessories I'd like to have: GPS, IR port (if it was possible), portable bluetooth keyboard.
Design: I agree with the PSP joystick idea. A twin screen à la Nintendo DS would be just too much to ask. I guess the camera would be better off in the middle of the device, just because it would make it easier to point at things -- but I don't care for this feature. The large on-screen keyboard also lacks a tab key, which I miss when I'm using xterm. Make it more robust.
1. no
2. cost benefit, at this time
3. n/a
4. superb word processor
5. form-fitting aluminum case
6. easier to press buttons on the top of the device
Do you own a Nokia 770 or Nokia N800?
N800
What do you use it for most?
Browsing the web, listening to music
What applications do you desire most?
A version of Canola that plays OGG files as that's what all my music is stored as.
A better web browser too. What's the point of an "internet tablet" that can't view Flash, JS and "Web 2" sites properly? It's an Internet Tablet Year 2000 style.
PDA software that synchronises with KDE. I know this isn't supposed to be a PDA, but if I can't use Google Calendar at least let me use my own.
What accessories do you desire most?
The GPS package they've been promising for months.
A case! I have a generic CaseLogic one (PLTK-10) and it's fine, but I'd prefer one specifically designed for the N800.
If you could change the design, how would you do it?
Suspend to RAM/disk to conserve battery life when idle
Get rid of the buttons on the front, I never use them.
Better touchscreen that I don't have to repeatedly stab until it registers.
Better camera.
Charge-via-USB
Bigger screen
A slot for a SIM card would be a killer :)
The N800 is great. I've owned various PDAs from a Palm III to a Tapwave Zodiac. On all of them I've tried to browse the Internet but either found it couldn't be done, or that the screen was the wrong shape and size.
It's just I'm not sure Nokia quite know what they've made the N800 for. It's evidently not a PDA, but then again with the default web browser it's not a very satisfying Internet browser. It feels like a device that was supposed to be a PDA, but then got turned into a mini laptop that was a phone - and yet isn't really any of them.
If the N800 is supposed to be a portable computer then it needs applications like Wordprocessors that write Word DOC files, an email client that understands IMAP folders, and some way of connecting to Windows computers for file sharing and printing. If it is supposed to be a PDA then it needs the usual PDA applications. Otherwise it's just a very expensive web browser that will get obsoleted by UMPCs or mobile phones.
It works very well for playing streaming Internet radio though - even through the tiny speakers :)
1. 770
2. N/A
3. the web browser is the killer app. each day on the way to and from work. I promote it to anyone that seems geeky to give a shit. but other highlights are meamo mapper and gizmo. the google talk is pretty good.
4.proper buttons good enough for a game system, bring back the case in some form. i have dents in my 770 case that could have been in the screen. I don't know how much protection it gives the unit when dropped as far as internal organ damage, a opposed to lacerations, But it feels better to have it there even on the back of the unit after picking it up off the floor.
I am keen to get a N800 but if i can hold out till the next model maybe that would be best. I am in Australia so acquiring one is more than just ordering on line or going to a shop. The speed increse would be nice. USB charging is a easy request, do it! compatibility with all of googles gmail extended tools would be fantastic. no sleep lost to loose the stereo speakers. Finally a keyboard that can be incorporated into a detachable hard case would be a fantastic accessory!
# Do you own a Nokia 770 or Nokia N800?
N800
# If so: What do you use it for most?
Portable media player- I have an 8gb SDHC for media and I use a 2GB internal for docs/program etc, I will probably wait to see if 16gb SDHC 's come out before upgrading again. Rhapsody and media streaming with Canola.
Paired with my TO Bluetooth keyboard I take notes in class and use maemo recorder to take voice notes.
Web access - on the move and in bed.
I nominally use GPS maemo mapper, GAIM, GTALK, Gizmo.
# What applications do you desire most?
A good wordprocessor, good offline newsreader.
# What accessories do you desire most?
Hard case with built in fold out keyboard like the Samsung q1.
# If you could change the design, how would you do it?
Add soft keys on the right, move speakers to the back and create 1 inch more screen real estate, upgrade webcam.
1. 770
2. Too much fixing-things-that-werent-broke to get an 800; granted these devices are just toys/testbeds and are in no way ready for primetime
3. poor man's blackberry at a
wifi-friendly worplace/home. I got it
to have a bluetooth/wifi device
that was linux to do hardware
experiments
4. software : Google calender syncable PIM - Nokia, show GPE some love and get Opera to make the browser to play nice - push vcal file to gcal; A2DP (? bluetooth headset standard) support (770 probably lacks hardware for this but I don't know); Flite speech synth!
5. hardware: 770 was a better concept, 800 too gimmicky although memory card upgrades were essential; 770 with built-in stand. Agree with thoughtfix on upper-right keys;
6. a commercial powered usb interface like thoughtfix rigged up that doesn't brick the chip the chip1. 1. 770
2. na
3. poor man's blackberry at a
wifi-friendly worplace. I got it
to have a bluetooth/wifi device
that was linux to do hardware
experiments
4. Google calender syncable PIM 770
2. na
3. poor man's blackberry at a wifi-friendly worplace. I got it to have a bluetooth/wifi device that was linux to do hardware experiments
4.
1. Both
2. N/A
3. Mostly web surfing - wikipedia, imdb, bbc news + sport, product reviews. While on the move or quite often sitting on the sofa ("who is in this film?" etc.), Audio (streaming or from local storage) and video are also popular activities on my N800.
4. Improved Email and RSS clients, email & contact syncing with desktop. A2DP would definately make the N800 a more usable media player. Improved audio (ogg) and video codec support. 3D games using the built-in 3D hardware would be good - N-Gage on N800?
5. A high capacity batter is essential. Bluetooth headset for phone calls/A2DP, and a case (screen protector) would also be nice.
6. USB charging. Larger "top" buttons (bring back the 770-sized buttons). More hardware keys and/or a jog-wheel could add useful functionality. A built-in GPS would be nice (or make GPS data available over Bluetooth from Nokia phones such as the N95 which currently isn't possible - make Nokia phones the perfect N800 companion). Reduce the size as much as possible, the N800 is a little too long/wide as it is. The 770 slide-on case/cover was an excellent idea - not only did it provide protection for the screen but also automatically put the device into sleep mode, genius! Screen rotation support (90 and 180 degrees).
1. Both.
Owned 770 from 2/06 to 03/06 when Nokia sent me warranty refund after waiting 3 months for repair. Now N800 owner.
2. Media player, news reader, websurfing, pim, email, games, ...
3. Java preferably w/Jazelle acceleration. Full USB OTG support. Audio capture/freq. analysis.
4. Anything to support USB peripherals like proper camera, USB VGA dongle. Better protection than the grey sleeve.
5. Full USB OTG support.
1. I own a N800
2. not applicable
3. Reading e-books and writing texts
4. A good pdf reader, good/synchronizable contacts app
5. A hard case!
6. I would add real, comfortable handwriting recognision, a transparent plastic cover to the screen, redesign back door, and use a bigger battery even if thicker.
1. N800.
2. N/A.
3. Web surfing.
4. I'd love to see a (gasp) full MCE remote control along the lines of what Sonos does for audio. That would be killer.
5. GPS. :)
6. The design is pretty damn good. The camera is sort of crappy -- it could be eliminated. A *slightly* larger form factor would be sweet, maybe just a couple inches bigger. I have huge hands and the N800 is so damn small!
1) N800
2) -
3) VOIP calls. Web. Tinkering. PIM.
4) Fully integrated PIM apps which sync with each other and my desktop easily.
OS upgrades for "pro" users which come with xterm, openssh, user ssh on (& root ssh off!), other cool stuff preinstalled - would save lots of time.
Java.
5) A decent case or hard screen cover.
6) Camera mounted so it ejects upwards, then you could actually point it at your face, if you want :)
Larger screen.
Remove stereo speakers to save space.
Click eject external SD slot with integrated flap cover, or no cover.
I'd like to interview my readers briefly. If you take the time to answer these, I'd be most grateful.
1. Do you own a Nokia 770 or Nokia N800?
770
2. If not, what keeps you from buying one today?
I didn't buy the 800 because it seems a lot more fragile then the 770 and lacks the metal case. I take my 770 everywhere and it gets quite a bit of abuse.
3. If so: What do you use it for most?
Ebooks. FBReader just rocks.
4. What applications do you desire most?
A better reader. FBReader rocks but it still has quite a few ui issues.
A better PDF viewer. The current one doesn't lend it self well to reading on the device.
5. What accessories do you desire most?
bluetooth headset support.
6. If you could change the design, how would you do it?
Give the n800 a metal case so that its a bit more durable.
770
Used it as a display to communicate with deaf person. adhoc connection to laptop and VNC viewer, bluetooth headset, and presenter for push-to-talk and to clear the text where the voicerecognition was done on laptop and the 770 could be held at table or on the couch. because it was only used as a display for text, it would be really nice to be able to set the power settings for dimming and turning off the display to a higher amount of timer or never. Have a Samsung Q1 now but would still use the previous setup sometime so we don't always have to be sitting next to each other.
Rdesktop. I know its available but I don't have a bluetooth keyboard to logon.
1. Nokia N800
2. N/A
3. Ebooks, mp3,web access
4. uBook,E-sword,Mortplayer,VLC
5. USB host mode & A2DP
6. Jog Wheel for scrolling
I would like to have an N800,
for sure.
What keeps me from buying it
is the price tag in europe...
Why do I have to pay ~380€ for
a device in europe, whereas in
the US it sells for 380$
I feel screwed, and that's why I won't buy one here.
1. Do you own a Nokia 770 or Nokia N800?
A 770, since dec. 2005
2. If not, what keeps you from buying one today?
I'm not buying a N800 because of the way 770 users are treated, and until Nokia shows N800 users will be treated better.
3. If so: What do you use it for most?
All things Web (including Gmail and Bloglines, so I don't have to use the crappy Mail and RSS apps)
Maemo Mapper
Games
GPE Calendar
4. What applications do you desire most?
A future version of Minimo than can totally replace Opera
A real free SIP client that works (not Gizmo/Skype)
A calendar with two-way sync to Google Cal
5. What accessories do you desire most?
I have a BT keyboard and a BT GPS, I'm all set.
6. If you could change the design, how would you do it?
I would merge the 770 design (form factor, buttons, cover) with the useful N800 enhancements (CPU, memory, double card slots, stand). Forget the camera :-)
1. I own an N800, but not a 770.
2. Price and application availability are the only things that would keep me from buying another one.
3. I mostly use it for web browsing, but I also use it for application development, VVoIP, navigation, media playing, game playing, note taking, IM (minimally), and remote control.
4. Right now, I most want a good C64 emulator, a PlaysForSure media player, WLAN PEAP support, and a VPN connection. Long-term, I want a better blogger/RSS reader with a built-in Yahoo Pipes-like filtering function and publishing/synchronization support. :)
5. I most want a BT folding keyboard, BT GPS (can't get my Palm BT GPS recognized), and output to a larger screen (perhaps USB OTG?).
6. Gaming controls are desperately needed along with a Apple mouse-like trackball for scrolling and some rethinking on the zooming controls.
1. Neither
2. UK price:see
http://bloggershepherd.blogspot.com/2007/04/n800-rip-off-in-uk.html
3. PDA functions, web access, ???
4. GPS
5. Not sure as I've not used one.
1. N800
2. N/A
3. Taking it with me in my purse and web browsing, instant messaging, etc.
4. (a)Watch live television streaming over the internet. I can view very few stations on wwitv.com (just the RealPlayer ones indicated in Dark Blue).
(b)More of a user friendly interface for a novice. This product is not particularly mainstream for the average user.
5. Add a USB port.
6. The power button is much to small to press.
1) Nokia 770 only.
2) Until Google Docs and Spreadsheets works well on the N800, I'm not upgrading.
3) For now, light web browsing, occasional games.
4) Bluetooth Palm HotSyncing, so that my PIM information is accessible from any device, a PIM to go with that, and an updated version of Opera to handle Google Docs and Spreadsheets.
5) A thumbboard/cover that can fully flip behind the tablet, or flip down and lock firmly in place. GPS would also be an improvement.
6) A sliding thumbboard, softkeys on the right side, and more responsive, Nintendo-style buttons. Ideally, I'd also like an improved HWR engine, but that's probably too CPU intensive.
Ideally, the 770/N800 is a pocketable computer. With sufficient storage (8GB and up,) it could hold my music, my contact data, and basically replace my computer for most tasks. With a decent Cisco VPN client and a more usable RDP experience, it would do 99% of what I'd want out of an OQO. At that point, my iPod and laptop would spend a lot more time at home. There's always a place for a laptop, like when I need to work FAST from a desk, but the tablet would let me work from a bus stop. There's also a place for an iPod, like when I'm jogging, skiing, etc., and can't really bother to carry any bulk beyond the nano, but the tablet would do the job when I'm commuting, waiting on a line, etc.
1. 770
2. N/A
3. Web browsing mostly
4. A better web browser and PIM
5. GPS with Australia maps
6. Nokia should spin out a traveller edition with integrated GPS and a decent digital camera something in order of 5 mega pixels and 3x optical zoom with flash. This will make it a nice device to take with when traveling.
1: N800
2: N/A. (I got the N800 because of the two SD slots and the 128MB RAM, the RSMMC and the 64MB RAM kept me from buying a 770.)
3: gmail most (with opera), then email (using ossoemail for imap until claws-mail is realesed with its fix for citadel imap), then web browsing in general (particular slashdot's mobile version, because std. slashdot looks bad in a landscape display), then general web browsing, then games (would play more games if there were better games, e.g. like PalmOS games). Finally the occasional internet radio or FM radio. I expect to use the FM radio a lot when travelling. Can leave my clock radio at home. *)
4: I wish for a perfect email program: Always starts, supports every protocol, configurable, displays well (in fact I would enjoy a gmail-like interface). ossoemail kind of works ok, but sometimes it won't start without a reboot. And a set of PIM apps that are as good as even the built-in PalmOS ones (not to mention the 3party ones). GPE Calendar et co. have a _LONG_ way to go. Useless for me. And, finally, the *) above: I wish the FM radio could be started automatically, by an alarm, in external speaker mode. Then I could _really_ leave my clock radio at home.
5: I desire a foldable bluetooth keyboard, but that exists already: I just have to buy one. Of non-existing accessories I can't think of any at the moment.
6: It's a bit long, but not too long. I keep it in my shirt pocket. I don't really see how it could be made shorter, without getting a smaller screen or losing the stereo loadspeakers, and I don't want that. So I think I'll stick to just wishing for an improved poach: It could a) have a flap to close it, so the N800 doesn't fall out whenever I bend over
too much with the N800 in the shirt pocket, and b): The pouch could have some kind of thin plastic enforcement on one side, to improve the protection of the screen.
For the N800 itself I've come to like the design. The stand is good also as assist when I hold it in my hands.
Oh, there is one N800 improvement I would like though: Built-in landscape/portrait switch support. The apps would have to support such a switch of course, but that should be limited to just recognize the changed screen proportions. In portrait mode the N800 would be even more useful, as web pages designed for portrait mode (like e.g. slashdot.org) would display properly.
To add to my wishlist: The stylus is a wee bit too short. I only notice when I play Battle Gweled, but when I do the top of the too-short stylus scratches my finger/knuckle and it gets pretty sore. And, uh, the applications should (be made to) use the buttons properly: The five-way pad out of the box is useless, it should _page_ down/up/sideways etc.
1. None
2. None officially available in Poland
(phone to Nokia Poland - we do not sell neither intend to do so)
3. NA
4. PIM apps
5. ?
1.770
2. Won't buy the N800. Wasn't all that impressed with the 770.
3. Web, RSS.
4. A better browser and RSS reader. Would love sync with Outlook clients and email.
5. Slightly larger screen, better stylus.
6. A better way to navigate in full screen mode, scroll wheel would be nice.
Do you own a Nokia 770 or Nokia N800?
770
If not, what keeps you from buying one today?
I don't buy a N800 because the changes from 770 to N800 are not worth €400
If so: What do you use it for most?
Surfing, Email, RSS, watching DVDs on the go, chatting
What applications do you desire most?
A SIP-Client integrated in the IM-Framework instead of Google-Talk
What accessories do you desire most?
GPS-stuff
If you could change the design, how would you do it?
The 770 is perfect, nothing to change. The N800 definitely needs the hard cover for screen protection, including the power saving functions it has on the 770.
I own both models. I use them both for everything they can do.
Apps Desired: better email with support for embedded pictures. Would rather have the Video Converter be ON the new device (N900?) so we can have the device encode its own videos without aa computer... or just beef up video codecs natively so as not to need a converter.
Improvements: Take a step backward, Nokia. The 770's touchscreen was way better than the N800's. The top buttons were way better than the N800's smooshed together crud-ola. Keep the stereo so when we plug speakers in, it stays stereo. keep the stand, but go back to the slide-on case the 770 had and functionality included with it like turning the screen and wi-fi/bluetooth signals off. Make the device synchable to other devices of its kind via passwords and authentications, so those of us who have multiple copies can transfer info easily. Make it possible to use flashdrives w/o a power alteration procedure only Nokia/Maemo super techs can implement. Take some of the "flare"/style ideas of the iPhone into account when designing the next OS. A fun OS is a money-making OS as the iPhone demonstrates because iPhone is a substandard product whose eye-candy OS is fooling consumers into taking "a bite" out of yet one more poisoned apple. Har!
Thanks for your time.
I not own neithr one cause too OS too complukated.
Played with one for two days, I wish everythin integraded like on the iPhone. Last poster got it all wrong. iPhone super awesum! Way cool OS does everythin without havin to think at all. It purfect macheneen, oops: masheen.
Nokai, make OS like iPhone, and I buy one you too. OK?
Be thanksing you
Apple, you can have that last ideeee-ot poster who's obviously a fanboi royale. The poster prior to him had it right: Nokia's OS needs a royal polishing to get all of the software to talk to each ther for a little of what the iPhone does offer, which is the seamless integration of all information with the embedded functionality of its feature set.
I own the N800 and use it to watch videos, which is why I wish the screen saver could be turned off because it goes dark every 5 minutes which sucks.
Desired Apps:
Videochat support for Yahoo IM. The Holy Bible with keyword index. Voice Recognition software equivalent to Sprint's (the best I've seen) to dictate Notes in without having to hand type them in.
Improvements:
Why not add a scroll wheel on the right side so we don't wear a line in our screens reading webpages? Make the scroll wheel roll up and down to scroll webpages up/down. Maybe even make the scroll wheel a pushable button also? One tap zooms in, two taps zooms out. (Sorry, got that one from the iPhone).
Put a physical keyboard into the outside of the 770's slide-on case upside down, hinged. We take the case off as usual and turn it around, slide it on the back, and then pull the keyboard down. It folds via the hinge into position beneath the N900 and because it was upside down, it's now rightside up, perfectly in line for typing.
Peace, thanks for taking this poll, dude!
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